This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. . of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. And Coke Zero, make it a large. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. Ability and respect is earned. There are almost 1000 E175/E190 type rated pilots from ExpressJet and Compass. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Great idea. To be honest, many college kids waste 4 years of tuition partying and enjoying life without learning anything substantial. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Maintenance is the number one important. Its their choice. Keep working at it, maybe you'll can find an unpaid internship on Arsenio. Thanks for update !! Read on. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Prime Minister/Moderator. Hey. May be this a good business model. Love! Salary to both of these groups of people is somewhat incidental. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. Housing and travel to/from work provided. The pay is horrifically low, though. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. This would be less cringey if there would be incentives for the flight attendants to move into positions such as pilots or air traffic control. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! Maybe its just SPS. Well your also comparing companies that have been in business for a substantial time period. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". David Neeleman has always been a skinflint. Will they get pilots? I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Not if you wanted good work done. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly Just wondering if there will be many legal challenges here? I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. Hopefully professional pilots will take a hard look at other careers before accepting garbage like this. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. Breeze Airways Overview Overview 56 Reviews 39 Jobs 5 Salaries 35 Interviews 16 Benefits -- Photos View Jobs at Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Overview Work Here? Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. Well what about Maintenance. Im a bit confused. 2. They better start changing the pilot pay or pilots will start leaving to China and make real time money up there . We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. (E-190) I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. So, that will Hey. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. And even if you talked endlessly to that reassuring gray-haired physician in the lead-up to your surgery, you know, the guy or gal who wrote the textbook on your ailment and who appears a shoe-in to be the next chairman of the school of medicine at the cutting-edge research institution where you've opted to get the very best care (you deserve it! However, if there's a recovery in airlines and given there was a shortage of pilots before I'm not sure this pay scale is going to last full time. The pay is horrifically low, though. An economy and society needs its worker bees as much as (more than?) the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. At least, I can't find that information. In the past, he has always favored taking care of his employees. So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. The benefit of getting on right now at Breeze is seniority in the future. D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Time away from home and on duty? It's exactly what I have been saying for years. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. Of course, I will never forget Herb Kelleher walking into a pintos union negotiation and exclaiming to them all, "Let's start by saying that I know you guys would do this nothing if you had to!". Select PayPal Credit at checkout to have the option . Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. If not the airplane no flight. Each model comes with display stand, rolling gears, and is assembled and ready to display. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. Is there a penalty for leaving early? The race to the bottom continues. At first glance, those rates do not seem too unusual. The role of flight attendant will be more like an internship than a career, because Neeleman believes flight attendants dont improve much with years of experience, and that they can get trapped in a dead-end job due to the seniority system we see at other airlines: Its not something politically correct but its something David wholeheartedly believes in, says Trey Urbahn, a Breeze board member whos worked with Neeleman at several of his other airlines. Think lifeguards. Yes, I am hoping for the best for this start up! Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. $1,200 a month is an embarrassment. So, that will be difficult. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. It gets so tiresome. And a minimum of 40. Whatta country! I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? I would have jumped at this deal in college. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six JetBlue Captains: $182,000 by year six Caveats The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. That's the Breeze way. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. Have you gone to college? Landing June 2023. If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. I worked as a host at a restaurant for minimum wage in college and didnt make close to $1200/mo and still had full tuition and room/board to pay. So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Thanks for being transparent that these comments are nearly all from a union organizing push before the airline even launches. End stage capitalism here people. If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Almost every airline has it in the agreement that upon graduation from FA training you have to get yourself to whatever base they need crew at. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Here's to hoping for an actual pilot shortage in the next few years, and then we'll all be laughing at this ridiculous pay. Maybe Breeze will also supply its people with high-end meals, as Microsoft and Google provides its extremely well-compensated developer workforce. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. My view is something of a combination of many of the other posts. 2) Free Travel! Age of planes? Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. If a for-profit-company hires someone and calls an "intern," that person is still an employee and subject to all of the requirements of the FLSA, Of Course, Oops: Jetstars Embarrassing Bali Flight Blunder. Spirit may have higher "margins", i.e. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Breeze knows this. Interesting. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. Obviously, a lot of people are not aware of what a flight attendant's role is (listen up Neeleman). 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. No one is forcing applicants to accept pay they don't like. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. Are They Worth Taking? Now as you can tell, I am giddy with enthusiasm and by the prospects if I'm selected for the internship! And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. New. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. However, earning minimum wages at a dead-end job, working every weekend, no benefits, no time/money/opportunity to explore new cities, and being forced to sign a 4-year contract at the outset are all red flags that employment as a flight attendant at Breeze should be avoided at all costs. The Breeze growth story is extraordinary. This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? You should be too. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? may be it is totally moronic. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. its entrepreneurs and change-makers. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. Per the website, FAs can work a maximum of 60 hours per month. The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. Heres SkyWests Embraer 170 pilot pay scale (this is a significantly smaller plane): Again, the catch with regional airlines is that pilots typically work here for a few years before applying for a job with one of the major airlines. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. My starting pay clear back in 1983 was1500/month! Young, unattached, few opportunities, and committed to finishing school in 4 years. Thanks !! 2) Free Travel! I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. We live in a free market economy. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. Hire new, low hours FO with a salary that is 30% lower than the market on the promise that they will be promoted to captain in 1 year. The comments in here are so disheartening. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. Good luck with that. Spirit passengers, not so much. Breeze will be a low cost carrier primarily operating point-to-point routes that arent currently served. return on investment. Why Do Airlines Oversell (& Overbook) Flights? Also: are families welcome? Airline startup Breeze Airways is set to offer Pilots uncompetitive pay in comparison to the rest of the airline industry. See point 2. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Their value is astronomical. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. I interviewed with them for cabin crew You must be enrolled at Utah Valley University full-time and maintain 3.0 GPA. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. Breeze Does it Better Our Perks Straight to the point. 1) Free Housing! I have no idea if they will be paid CA or FO rate while flying the right seat though. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. But lets say you have a couple of days off. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. Our Pilots are overall Leaders who safely take care of our Team Members and Guests. 0 comments. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Does the hourly rate even amount to minimum wage? This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021, The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations, Breeze hiring pilots with uncompetitive pay. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? I do not believe for a minute service will be worse than economy on AA or UA. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! Maybe wait and see? Some interns are unpaid. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. Airfare provided to go home monthly. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Also: are families welcome? You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. Friday, September 30, 2022 Contact; Advertise; About Us; Subscribe; Videos; Accessibility; 0 items $0.00; Sign in. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. Considering that airlines pay for very expensive training twice a year, this tactic may prove more expensive in the long run. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). It's not so nice to say, but the truth is that young untrained employees aren't always worth that much. 2. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. And in the interview say no thanks pay to low and walk out. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying.