Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. Caller: Yeah. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Caller: Absolutely. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. They were able to do all that by genetics. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. No that's a little bit outside the range. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Rick your thoughts. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com Caller: Hey guys how you doing. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Are there mountain lions in New Hampshire? : r/newhampshire - reddit The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. Your support makes this news available to everyone. "Of those three to five reports,. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. And it was unmistakable. A lot of times. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. Well they are the same. So it is possible to see male Mountain lions roam into the northeast - there was one hit by a car in CT a number of years back - but we don't have a breeding population of Mountain lions in New England. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. Just. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Part II. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. They kill big animals. So do they. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Do cougars live in New England? Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread Patrick Tate: Well. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. So now what's going on. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. John is calling from Bennington. There's no attraction. Patrick Tate: Okay. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Peter Biello: Hmm. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. Or years or so. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. He said matter of fact I do. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. One was in Shelton. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. And so. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. If so that's for us as an agency. What kind of animal is that. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Phone number 1 800. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Have you seen one. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. brings a lot of. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Caller: Oh hi. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Thank you. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. So. What do you think that. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Caller: Hi. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. What's going on. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. 1,470 likes. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Theres tracks everywhere. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does.